maciu
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 12:33 AM |
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CP Discussion
Due to some discussion concerning trading for cp's in the last few
seasons, I wanted to poise a question for the league. Should cp's be
allowed to be traded more than 3 years in advance? In looking at the
league rules, it does not state that cannot be done. However, is it in the
best interest of the league to allow this.
The fact is that we cannot trade draft picks more than 3 years in advance.
In the spirit of the league, should cp trading be only be allowed 3 years
in advance. I would like to see some discussion about this. Then, we can
vote on this and determine if we want to ask admin to change our league
rules if everyone agrees.
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World Series Championships: 1966, 1969
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World Series: 1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963
World Series Championships: 1957, 1959, 1961, 1962
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World Series: 1957, 1960, 1971
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Jughead
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 01:49 AM |
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I would prefer that the CP trading rules mimic that of draft pick trading
rules, but I do not have strong feelings about it one way or the other.
I'd rather propose getting rid of CP trades all together 
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yogi8
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 01:59 AM |
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Well I guess I'll start this off since it may appear I would be a guilty
participant since I traded with Cincy for 5 cp's this year and he would in
return receive 5 cp's in a future year to be determined, actually it never
occur to me to say in next 3 years I just presumed he would take them
sometime this term and knew I could not trade anyone my cp's till after he
had set a year for his personally I am fine with this knowing I cannot
trade any till i know his year he want's them. It does make sense that 3
years out the same as traded draft picks would work, if we decide to go
that way I still would like to honor my deal with him if the league would
approve and let him in at least this case still be able to name his year
when he decided. But I do agree 3 years probably would be best on all
future cp transactions. Like I said it just plain did not occur to me just
never gave it a second thought. I would be in favor of keeping the cp
trading in our league as well.
yes
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EJB
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 03:22 AM |
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There needs to a limited on trading CP's in advance. If for no other
reason than being able to keep track of them. Yes, I know that we have to
do a thread for that but scanning that for 4, 5 or more seasons to find the
trade is difficult at best.
While personally would agree with Jughead to get rid CP's trading all
together, a three season time limited would be acceptable and realistic
given the three season draft pick trading limit already in place.
[Edited on 7-22-2010 by EJB]
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JimBlaine
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 03:33 AM |
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I think three years is reasonable. However, I think bigger thing is that
we should simplify the rules to say a team must have between 10 and 20 cps
each year. Instead of the rule about trading JUST 5 cps in any given year.
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EJB
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:44 AM |
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JimBlaine,
I think you mean between 15 and 25 Cp's each season. Everyone
automatically get 20 CP's.
The only problem I can see if keeping track. You (Atlanta) trade me(NY) 5
cp's, which I trade to San Francisco, who trades them to Pittsburgh. I
think you can see what I am saying.
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Jughead
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 06:33 AM |
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I think he means between two and four players with 5 CPs on them
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geotino
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 11:27 AM |
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i could go either way on this topic. it is tidy to keep the cp trading in
line with the draft picks but the flipside is, we are all capable of
keeping track of cp trades outside of 3 seasons. i don't think it presents
an unfair advantage to anyone. if anything, trading cp's(and draft picks)
more than 3 seasons out gives owners more ability to strategize. that being
said, the league is wonderful and i will be happy with whatever the
majority decides.
yes
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dsaved
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 09:56 PM |
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If yogi is guilty then I'm more than that, since I was into the CP mess of
last season. I personally love CP trading and would kill to have some
more , but I certainly agree to link the CP trading limits to those of draft
picks.
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maciu
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| posted on 7-25-2010 at 08:12 PM |
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We have had some solid discussion on this topic. I will be sending a u2u
for an official vote on Tuesday. Voting will go until Friday. The
majority will win. As commish, I will refrain from voting so that we will
have an odd # of votes theoritically if everyone else votes.
[Edited on 7-25-2010 by maciu]
Active Teams:
Chicago Wind Riders (Manny Ramierez League) Founder
1950-1990
Playoffs: 1958, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1978,
1979, 1988, 1989
World Series: 1966, 1969, 1978
World Series Championships: 1966, 1969
Milwaukee Bravos (Cal Ripken League) Expansion Team 1964-1993
Playoffs: 1964, 1971, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989,
1990
World Series: 1964, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1986, 1990
World Series Championships: 1964, 1974, 1975
Detroit Tiggers (Hack Wilson League) Expansion Owner
1973-1980
Boston Tea Leaves (Alan Trammel League) Founder
1950-1966
Playoffs: 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963
World Series: 1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963
World Series Championships: 1957, 1959, 1961, 1962
Cincinnati Redlegs (Robin Roberts League) Founder
1950-1957
San Francisco Rice-A-Ronies (Home Run Baker League) Founder
1950-1964
Washington Musketeers (Andy Messersmith League) Founder
1950-1953
First Sim Dynasty Free Agency League
Retired Teams:
Cincinnati Riverboats (Tommy John League) Founder
1950-1966
Playoffs: 1955, 1956, 1957, 1963, 1966
World Series: 1955, 1956, 1963, 1966
World Series Championship: 1966
New York Gothems (Fernando Valenzuela Leage) Founder
1950-1977
Playoffs: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1967, 1969, 1979, 1971
World Series: 1957, 1960, 1971
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ffoursea
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| posted on 7-27-2010 at 04:46 PM |
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3 years is fine with me so i vote yes for 3 years.
ed schwartz
ffoursea
yes
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JimBlaine
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| posted on 7-27-2010 at 05:29 PM |
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I'd like to revisit the idea of allowing teams to trade CPs without
restriction as long as they stay between 15 and 25 Cp's each season after
this vote.
http://www.simdynasty.com/owner.jsp?owner=JimBlaine&mode=all
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Jughead
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| posted on 7-28-2010 at 12:12 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JimBlaine
I'd like to revisit the idea of allowing teams to trade CPs without
restriction as long as they stay between 15 and 25 Cp's each season after
this vote. |
How is that different from what we're voting on?
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JimBlaine
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| posted on 7-28-2010 at 05:19 PM |
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right now if I trade you 5 CPs in 2002 I can't make any other CP trades in
2002. For example I couldn't take 5 cps back in a trade from maciu.
I think the rule shouldn't be "you can only trade away or for 5 cps in
any given year"
It should be simply "no team may acquire more than 25 CPs in any season or
have less than 15 CPs in any season"
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Jughead
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| posted on 7-28-2010 at 06:12 PM |
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Huh. I just assumed that that was what it meant all along. There's no
reason Team A can't trade 5 CPs to Team B while receiving 5 CPs in trade
from Team C. It just means that Team C is essentially trading 5 CPs to Team
B. I never interpreted the rule to mean you couldn't do that. To hell with
the middleman.
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JimBlaine
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| posted on 7-28-2010 at 09:07 PM |
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Previous commissioner interperted otherwise and trades have been overturned
b.c. of the rule
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Jughead
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| posted on 7-29-2010 at 06:26 AM |
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Really? I don't remember that. I remember someone having a trade
overturned because the CP trade went more than three seasons out, and
because someone traded 5 CPs in the same season to two different people (or
one owner accepted two 5 CP trades for the same season), but I don't
remember a transitive situation like the one I described.
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EJB
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| posted on 7-29-2010 at 09:46 PM |
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If my memory serves me correctly, one owner had traded for 5 Cp's for a
season and later posted a message that he would be willing to trade them.
The commissioner at that time posted a response saying to do so would
constitute a violation of the rules. As to whether there was ever an
actual trade that was latr overturned, I had no knowledge o that.
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maciu
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| posted on 7-30-2010 at 05:16 PM |
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EBJ, I recall one being overturned either.
Based, on the voting, we only had 2 owners vote to allow cp's to be traded
beyond 3 years. I will message admin to have the league rules changed to
state that cp's can only be traded 3 years in advance. I will wait till
Monday because I am out of town and only have limited access.
Active Teams:
Chicago Wind Riders (Manny Ramierez League) Founder
1950-1990
Playoffs: 1958, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1978,
1979, 1988, 1989
World Series: 1966, 1969, 1978
World Series Championships: 1966, 1969
Milwaukee Bravos (Cal Ripken League) Expansion Team 1964-1993
Playoffs: 1964, 1971, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989,
1990
World Series: 1964, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1986, 1990
World Series Championships: 1964, 1974, 1975
Detroit Tiggers (Hack Wilson League) Expansion Owner
1973-1980
Boston Tea Leaves (Alan Trammel League) Founder
1950-1966
Playoffs: 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963
World Series: 1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963
World Series Championships: 1957, 1959, 1961, 1962
Cincinnati Redlegs (Robin Roberts League) Founder
1950-1957
San Francisco Rice-A-Ronies (Home Run Baker League) Founder
1950-1964
Washington Musketeers (Andy Messersmith League) Founder
1950-1953
First Sim Dynasty Free Agency League
Retired Teams:
Cincinnati Riverboats (Tommy John League) Founder
1950-1966
Playoffs: 1955, 1956, 1957, 1963, 1966
World Series: 1955, 1956, 1963, 1966
World Series Championship: 1966
New York Gothems (Fernando Valenzuela Leage) Founder
1950-1977
Playoffs: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1967, 1969, 1979, 1971
World Series: 1957, 1960, 1971
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Admin
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| posted on 8-3-2010 at 04:54 PM |
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Hi All,
Looks like the commish misinterpreted the rules. The rules are that you
need 15-25 CPs every season. You can make the trades the same day if you
like. The purpose of the rule is so that a team isn't trading away all
its CPs, or developing 8 minor leaguers at the same time.
I'll post a poll shortly to add a restriction to how far out you can do CP
trades. I don't believe we have this rule in any other leagues.
Tyson
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Admin
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| posted on 8-4-2010 at 04:48 PM |
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We've had 10 people vote to add this new restriction, 2 people vote to
leave it alone, and 4 who have yet to vote. Looks like the majority is in
favor of adding a restriction. Going forward, you should only trade CPs 3
seasons in advance. I will edit the league rules.
Tyson
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