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posted on 7-29-2010 at 10:06 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Veterans/Mentors Available for draft picks

Prices, in draft picks, I would also accept similar quality prospects rather than picks:

A- overall = 1st rounder or 2 2nd rounders
B+ overall = 2nd rounder or 2 3rd rounders
B overall = 3rd rounder
bolded = a good quality prospect or 1st rounder, and a 2nd rounder

Available players from Philadelphia:

SP Rivera
RP Walsh
RP Boyle
RP Stuper

1B Cox
2B/3B Handiboe
2B/3B Bubser
3B Barnes
SS Kenworthy
SS Reis
SS Doyle

OF Monday
OF Burns
OF Swigler
OF Mattox
OF Hungling

Thank you in advance for any offers. The players I have available are (mostly) not great (except for Monday and Handiboe), I'm just trying to get younger and I only marginally care about the quality of the picks/youth.

Here is a link to my depth chart.

[Edited on 7-29-2010 by Hamilton2]

[Edited on 7-29-2010 by Hamilton2]





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posted on 8-2-2010 at 09:32 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Note to A.L.: Please quit trading all your "A" rated players to Philly!! They have a total of 11 on the roster! They have 43% of the A rated offensive players in the league, and 38% of the A rated starters in the league. Give the rest of us a chance.

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Overall record: 2195-1693 .565 with 5 1sts, 7 2nds, 4 3rds, 7 N.L. Champ, 3 WS Champ

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posted on 8-2-2010 at 10:01 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Note to A.L.: Please quit trading all your "A" rated players to Philly!! They have a total of 11 on the roster! They have 43% of the A rated offensive players in the league, and 38% of the A rated starters in the league. Give the rest of us a chance.

Jim~


Yeah, he's pretty loaded up over there. I don't foresee an AL World Champion for a few years.......that's scary

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posted on 8-2-2010 at 11:00 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Meanwhile, I'm trying to sell an A overall OF and no one is interested ... hmm.





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posted on 8-2-2010 at 11:45 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Nobody wants Monday because he is OS 35, which is too old for a #1 or two #2 picks. Also, the other 7 teams in the N.L. still have no chance against Philly even if we added 3 or 4 "Monday" type players. Your team is a juggernaut, pure and simple.





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Overall record: 2195-1693 .565 with 5 1sts, 7 2nds, 4 3rds, 7 N.L. Champ, 3 WS Champ

Baltimore Orioles - Carlton Fisk Lg - Owner 2000 - 2021 Seasons
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posted on 8-3-2010 at 12:54 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
lol, an A overall player on the bench.





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posted on 8-3-2010 at 02:07 AM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I think it's great watching Ham keep this thing rolling. He clearly understands the value of the great player vs the very good player and he's used it to build a dynasty. Perhaps if some owners weren't petrified to trade any youth they could enjoy at least some of the same success he has. You can't build a team 100% through the draft and when your team is only a few pieces away it's ok to deal a 1st or a really good prospect to acquire those missing pieces. The market for vets has completely fallen apart and it almost feels like some owners would rather have a great minor league system than a great product on the field. Just look at Ham's roster, he only drafted 3 of his current 25 man roster. The other 22 were obtained in trades, most in deals where he traded youth for proven talent, just look at the George Hamner and Earl Washington deals.





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posted on 8-3-2010 at 01:50 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
You really can't fault somebody for making trade proposals, accepting the ones that are offered to him, and negotiating with guys who are interested in his players. Joe is obviously the most active owner in the league and usually that pays dividends because you know where the talent is, the likes and dislikes of your fellow owners, etc. What's surprising is that sometimes it seems like there are posts that indicate availability of players and then "bam" they're gone - and often for poor returns. Leonard obviously has a boatload of experience and has probably dealt with Joe in the past which makes executing a deal easier but I personally thought he got poor value in that trade - I sent a couple of pretty good young players to Cleveland 10 days earlier (real world time) for a veteran reliever which IMO would indicate that I'm open for business and looking to get better but never received so much as a u2u or trade offer (in fact other than Joe I can't remember the last trade offer I've gotten) obviously I'm largely to blame if I was interested for not expressing such but as a seller it's in your best interest to look for the best possible deal. I guess what I'm getting at is that the trade market probably isn't as bad as people think a lack of effort on the buyers (or sellers) part is largely to blame and activity is often rewarded. I personally am in the middle of "Wedding Planning Hell" (one month to go) and haven't been overly active but hopefully that will change when things have settled down.

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posted on 8-3-2010 at 03:28 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Congrats on the engagement, Dan! I wish you all the best.

Sorry for any hard feelings Jim, I was joking about not receiving any offers, I know that Monday is OS 35 and has already declined once. I totally understand that.

Thanks for the compliments, jyoung and dan, I do appreciate it.

This team is a very unique one for me. We will probably dominate the next 5 seasons, but after that, during our extensive "rebuild" the majority of MVP's and Cy Young's are going to be won by players that we traded away (Hamner, Washington, Bob Gagliano, Geoff Trevino, Stanley Hudson, Tom Santovenia, Alex Keaton). It isn't as if I don't give up talent. I don't remember the last 1st round pick of my own that I kept.

Also, do you remember what happened last season? This team tied for the wildcard. I went out and added some pieces to try to assure that that won't happen again. Still, the difference between my "A" players and your "A-" players is not as pronounced in a system 3 league (the A-'s are higher, on average) which makes it much more difficult to just dominate a league than it was with system 2. In fact, there will probably be a season or two or three out of the next 5 (the prime of my 11 A overall's) that I will not even make the playoffs.





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posted on 8-3-2010 at 04:01 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I guess the 5 game skid shows that Philly isn't absolutely unstoppable......for a second, I thought that team might be the first 162 win team in the history of SD :D
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I guess the 5 game skid shows that Philly isn't absolutely unstoppable......for a second, I thought that team might be the first 162 win team in the history of SD :D


Yes, losing 5 in a row sort of proves what I was saying about this season not being a foregone conclusion. That's why they sim the games, as they say.

In my last game vs. CIN, Larry Kliene, Juan Reach and Rick Monday went 0 for 14. And it will not be the last time this season that stuff like that happens.





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posted on 8-4-2010 at 04:19 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
That 5 game loss streak Philly had was a fluke. Philly has the best team I have ever seen. We could be looking at an .800 record. The rest of us will fight it out for wild card. No hard feelings, just the facts.

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Ragin' Injuns - Luis Aparicio Lg - Founding owner 1950 - 1966 Seasons
Overall record: 1605-1149 .583 with 6 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds, 3 A.L. Champ, 3 W.S. Champ

Trolley Dodgers - Catfish Hunter Lg - Founding owner 1950 - 1973 Seasons
Overall record: 2195-1693 .565 with 5 1sts, 7 2nds, 4 3rds, 7 N.L. Champ, 3 WS Champ

Baltimore Orioles - Carlton Fisk Lg - Owner 2000 - 2021 Seasons
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posted on 8-4-2010 at 04:37 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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That 5 game loss streak Philly had was a fluke. Philly has the best team I have ever seen. We could be looking at an .800 record. The rest of us will fight it out for wild card. No hard feelings, just the facts.

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I disagree that this is the best team I've ever seen - Joe was in the MWL about a year and a half/two years ago when I had 9 A rated pitchers (or better one was A+, most were starters, very few if any were the A+/B+ variety) to go with a VERY good offense maybe not as many "A" ratings but A+ power up and down the lineup...that league was so deep I think I actually missed the playoffs that season.

Now, I don't disagree that he will run away with the division especially since the second best team (yours) has gotten off to such a slow start.





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posted on 8-4-2010 at 04:44 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
True, Dan's team that year was incredible. He did have 9 A or higher rated pitchers, and a lineup with red letter power top-to-bottom. He missed the playoffs for at least 1 of those seasons that his team was the awesome though. CLE always has a stacked team in that league, and I think that my team of scrappers managed to take the Wild Card away from him once.

Still, thank you for the compliments Jim. I expect that we will see a lot of teams that look as strong as mine does now over the next few decades as the system 3 talent inflation levels off (I think that PIT has a team that will improve into at least 8 A overalls in about 3 seasons). If some of your A+/B pitchers will do what Pinochet did for me last season (hit 3 control improves), you could be sitting on a 4-man A overall rotation, you just never know.





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